| 30 tegtech, on Sep 27, 2009 6:31:31 pm BSTHi,
I've been fighting with two xboxes off and on for over a year. kirbyboychoy's suggestions in post 28 above are the closest I've come to having everything working perfectly, but it's still not quite there: One one xbox, the NAT status is still "moderate".
My setup:
Wireless router: Linksys WRT310N, with firmware v1.00.4-CA
- Single Port Forwarding, Port Range Forwarding and DMZ all disabled
- Port Range Triggering set as thetompes described in post 29 above.
- UPNP enabled, MTU size 1364.
- "Filter Internet NAT Redirection" checkbox is not checked
Xbox #1
- wireless, manually assigned IP (192.168.1.111) and DNS servers
- no problems
Xbox #2
- NOT wireless, manually assigned IP (192.168.1.105) and DNS servers
- running the xbox Live test results in a warning: NAT type as "Moderate"
According to Microsoft's site, "Moderate" NAT means: "Moderate: This means that you can talk to other players who have open or moderate NAT issues, but you cannot talk or play with users who have strict NAT issues."
So how do I go from "Moderate" to "Open" NAT on my second xbox?
Thanks. Reply to tegtech | Make sure the Internet IP address on the Status tab in the Setup page of the router is using Public/WAN IP address and not Private IP address. "This is just for verification". Sometimes double NAT happens, especially when using a DSL broadband connection and also when your Linksys router is connected to another router (Also when your modem is also a DHCP server).
If your router is already acquiring a Public IP address directly from your ISP try my suggestion below:
TRY THIS: At at the Port Range Trigerring page:
Port Range Triggering FOR XBOX 360.
Application Name: Xbox1 , Triggered Range: 88 to 88, Forwarded Range: 88 to 88, then enable it by putting a check inside the box.
Application Name: Xbox2 , Triggered Range: 3074 to 3074, Forwarded Range: 3074 to 3074, then enable it by putting a check inside the box.
Application Name: Xbox3 , Triggered Range: 53 to 53, Forwarded Range: 53 to 53, then enable it by putting a check inside the box.
Application Name: Xbox4 , Triggered Range: 80 to 80, Forwarded Range: 80 to 80, then enable it by putting a check inside the box.
Then save the settings.
Set both of your Xbox consoles to obtain an IP addresses automatically.
Go to the Security main tab of the WRT310N Setup page.
1. Filter Anonymous Internet Requests should be disabled.
2. SPI Firewall Protection shuold be enabled. Opening ports will not work if this is disabled.
3. "Filter Internet NAT Redirection" is not checked.
If that steps will still not work:
You may also consider to update the firmware of your router to Ver.1.0.07 build 14. It is available at the link below:
http://www.linksysbycisco.com/US/en/support/WRT310N/download.
Select hardware version 1. I am assuming that your router is hardware version 1 based on the Release Notes.
After you upgrade the firmware, reset the router by pressing the reset button and reconfigure the settings manually. Reply to kirbyboychoy | 34 AndyakaResiduaL, on Oct 20, 2009 6:15:34 am BSTI am having the same issues as Post #30.
I'm currently using a WRT160Nv2.
Both X-Box 360 Consoles are connected via wireless to my router.
I have done all the above-mentioned settings:
-Correctly set up port range triggering with all corresponding values
-Single port forwarding and port range forwarding are both disabled
-DMZ is disabled
-Upnp is enabled
-Security settings are set as mentioned-above with the proper filters unchecked
-Proper MTU setting, both X-Box 360 consoles set to automatically obtain settings
One of the X-Box consoles can connect with an OPEN Nat. The second X-Box console only connects with a MODERATE setting and therefore we cannot join each other's parties.
Is this simply an issue with my ISP or do you know if I need to further alter anything?
Thanks for your anticipated help! Reply to AndyakaResiduaL | By the way, can the other console (XBOX360 #2) connect to the Live Server automatically once you turn off the working console (XBOX360 #1)?
Can both console play Locally (Can they detect each other when craeating a LAN games)?
Check also what is the Internet IP address found at the Status tab of the router? Reply to kirbyboychoy | 37 AndyakaResiduaL, on Oct 20, 2009 3:25:39 pm BSTI'm currently upgrading my Firmware. I had an outdated version.
I have now upgraded to the latest Firmware.
I will explain a little more in detail:
Both Xbox Consoles can connect to XBox Live at the same time. One connects with an OPEN NAT and the second system connects as MODERATE.
We can both log into Xbox Live and play at the same time with different hosts and in different games. We cannot, however, join each other's parties.
I'm sorry for not stating this more clearly. Both of our connections are fine logging into Xbox Live. We can play games just fine but we cannot play with each other.
The information on the status page of my router is as follows:
Connection Type: Automatic Configuration - DHCP
Internet IP Address: 173.190.157.191
Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.128
Default Gateway: 173.190.157.190
DNS1: 192.168.254.254
My set up is one that uses a 2WIRE Modem provided by my ISP Windstream. I then have this modem connected to the Wireless Router WRT160N. There are a total of three computers utilizing my wireless router:
(1) There is one computer that is hardwire and plugged directly into the wireless router via an ethernet cable.
(2) There is a second computer connected via wireless with an Xbox system connected to the computer.
(3) There is a third computer connected via wireless with an Xbox system connected to the computer.
The (2) and (3) computer systems both have Xbox consoles which are connected via ethernet cables.
So there is no connectivity issues with Xbox Live and my computer systems. The only issue I am attempting to resolve is to change both my Xbox systems to have OPEN NAT settings so we can join each other's parties and play together.
Please let me know if you require any additional information and I will be happy to comply.
Again, thank you for your advice and help thus far.
-Andy aka ResiduaL Reply to AndyakaResiduaL | 38 AndyakaResiduaL, on Oct 20, 2009 3:31:13 pm BSTUPDATE:
I have upgraded my firmware for my router and power cycled my system with the same results. One XBOX system connects as OPEN NAT and one connects as MODERATE NAT. Both systems are connected simultaneously.
Thanks!! Reply to AndyakaResiduaL |
| 40 AndyakaResiduaL, on Oct 21, 2009 4:01:21 am BSTUPDATE:
The information on my router status page has been updated to reflect such:
Connection Type: Automatic Configuration - DHCP
Internet IP Address: 192.168.254.101
Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway: 192.168.254.254
DNS1: 192.168.254.254 Reply to AndyakaResiduaL | 41 AndyakaResiduaL, on Oct 21, 2009 4:08:23 am BSTAlso:
The computer I'm using runs on Windows XP.
The computer my brother uses runs in Windows Vista. His network connections interface is a little different than mine but it appears as though all of his settings are placed to automatically obtain an IP address.
For some reason, I am unable to connect to XBOX Live unless I edit the Local Area Connection to reflect a manually configured IP address per the Internet Protocol (TCP/IP) settings.
If I have the settings to obtain an IP address automatically, I am unable to connect to XBOX Live.
So to recap:
It appears as though my router is set up correctly with everything suggested above.
I believe the issue may possibly be with the settings on my PC or perhaps it is a combination of my PC and my router/modem settings.
I will be honest and say I'm not entirely certain as to what settings I should have my MODEM set up to. I do know that my router does correctly reflect all of the above-mentioned settings.
I think there needs to be some tweaking and modifications made to my PC and then possibly/probably my modem and/or router.
Thanks!! Reply to AndyakaResiduaL | 42 AndyakaResiduaL, on Oct 21, 2009 10:06:52 am BSTNOTE:
I am also only able to eliminate my MODERATE NAT setting to an OPEN NAT setting by creating a network bridge between my Local Area Connection and my wireless connection. I am only able to stay connected to XBox Live like this, however, for only 20 minutes at a time before the connection times out.
I'm assuming this is definitely not a solution I should be using.
Thanks!! Reply to AndyakaResiduaL | 43 AndyakaResiduaL, on Oct 21, 2009 3:51:19 pm BSTWell the best I seem to be able to do is to have one Xbox 360 console with an OPEN NAT and the second Xbox console with a MODERATE NAT.
NOTES:
-Both Xbox Consoles are connected to Xbox LIve at the same time. Both can play in games on Xbox Live with but cannot join each other's hosted parties.
-My XBox console only seems to allow connection to Xbox Live with a manually configured Local Area Connection. I have my wireless connection active with an address type assigned by DHCP. If I change my Local Area Connection to reflect an automatically assigned configuration, the connection to Xbox Live does not work.
I'm not sure what edits I need to make to these settings in order to allow an OPEN NAT type with this configuration. I run off of Windows XP.
Whew. Reply to AndyakaResiduaL | 44 AndyakaResiduaL, on Oct 21, 2009 10:48:48 pm BSTHM I might even have to upgrade to a WRT310N if all else fails. But I guess I'm looking to exhaust all options available until I go this route. Reply to AndyakaResiduaL |
| I think that is the downfall, both Xbox360 can connect to the Xbox Live Server but won't be able to play the same game. I mean connect the same party. Reply to kirbyboychoy | 58 Angel, on Nov 15, 2009 5:39:39 pm GMTAre you saying that the set up you suggest will not connect two x-boxes to the same game. Myself and my husband are currently able to connect to the xbox server and get into the same games together (not 100%) but works the majority of the time. Our main problem is that we cannot (individually) get connected with some friends elsewhere such as Michigan and Canada. Ironically, Australia and Great Britain are no problem.
We were about to switch to the Linksys based on your helpful advice but now I wonder if we will make matters worse if we will then be unable to connect to the same game together?
I would appreciate your advice.
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| 51 PlugandPray, on Nov 2, 2009 5:41:56 pm GMTSir,
Can you play online simultaneously on a different game server? If so, that is due to the restriction of the game server you are trying to connect. It only allows one WAN IP to connect. Reply to PlugandPray |
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| It seems like the NAT of your modem is blocking you from connecting your consoles at the same time. In the Status tab of your router, it is acquiring a private IP address from your modem. This usually happens when using a DSL connection where your modem is a DHCP server as well. There is a setting in your modem where you can forward the ports as well. If the Setup page of the modem have a Port trigerring feature trigger those ports as well. Better yet, set you modem to brodge mode so that it will only act as a passthrough connection and the Public IP address from your ISP will go straight to the router. Reply to kirbyboychoy |
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| 39 tegtech, on Oct 20, 2009 3:47:39 pm BSTHi kirbyboychoy,
I did all that you recommended in post #31, including the firmware upgrade, and now everything is working perfectly! Both xboxes have open NAT at the same time. Just for reference, afterwards, I re-enabled "Filter Anonymous Internet Requests" in the Setup section and re-ran the tests, and everything was still working.
You rock, and thanks for the awesome help! Reply to tegtech | No problem... tnx for the additional information as well.
PEACE... Reply to kirbyboychoy | 54 GhettoLegs, on Nov 10, 2009 6:00:00 am GMTSo would you say this same exact setup would allow an Xbox 360 and a PS3 to play online at the same time? I have a PS3 and my roomate has a 360. If he is playing and I try to play mine, it will kick him out. If I'm on and he tries to play, it will kick me off? Is this the same basic principal or a bandwidth issue? I have a Linksys-G router currently and I'm using a premium 22 megabyte modem with great signal levels. Reply to GhettoLegs |
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