| 30 tegtech, on Sep 27, 2009 6:31:31 pm BSTHi,
I've been fighting with two xboxes off and on for over a year. kirbyboychoy's suggestions in post 28 above are the closest I've come to having everything working perfectly, but it's still not quite there: One one xbox, the NAT status is still "moderate".
My setup:
Wireless router: Linksys WRT310N, with firmware v1.00.4-CA
- Single Port Forwarding, Port Range Forwarding and DMZ all disabled
- Port Range Triggering set as thetompes described in post 29 above.
- UPNP enabled, MTU size 1364.
- "Filter Internet NAT Redirection" checkbox is not checked
Xbox #1
- wireless, manually assigned IP (192.168.1.111) and DNS servers
- no problems
Xbox #2
- NOT wireless, manually assigned IP (192.168.1.105) and DNS servers
- running the xbox Live test results in a warning: NAT type as "Moderate"
According to Microsoft's site, "Moderate" NAT means: "Moderate: This means that you can talk to other players who have open or moderate NAT issues, but you cannot talk or play with users who have strict NAT issues."
So how do I go from "Moderate" to "Open" NAT on my second xbox?
Thanks. | Make sure the Internet IP address on the Status tab in the Setup page of the router is using Public/WAN IP address and not Private IP address. "This is just for verification". Sometimes double NAT happens, especially when using a DSL broadband connection and also when your Linksys router is connected to another router (Also when your modem is also a DHCP server).
If your router is already acquiring a Public IP address directly from your ISP try my suggestion below:
TRY THIS: At at the Port Range Trigerring page:
Port Range Triggering FOR XBOX 360.
Application Name: Xbox1 , Triggered Range: 88 to 88, Forwarded Range: 88 to 88, then enable it by putting a check inside the box.
Application Name: Xbox2 , Triggered Range: 3074 to 3074, Forwarded Range: 3074 to 3074, then enable it by putting a check inside the box.
Application Name: Xbox3 , Triggered Range: 53 to 53, Forwarded Range: 53 to 53, then enable it by putting a check inside the box.
Application Name: Xbox4 , Triggered Range: 80 to 80, Forwarded Range: 80 to 80, then enable it by putting a check inside the box.
Then save the settings.
Set both of your Xbox consoles to obtain an IP addresses automatically.
Go to the Security main tab of the WRT310N Setup page.
1. Filter Anonymous Internet Requests should be disabled.
2. SPI Firewall Protection shuold be enabled. Opening ports will not work if this is disabled.
3. "Filter Internet NAT Redirection" is not checked.
If that steps will still not work:
You may also consider to update the firmware of your router to Ver.1.0.07 build 14. It is available at the link below:
http://www.linksysbycisco.com/US/en/support/WRT310N/download.
Select hardware version 1. I am assuming that your router is hardware version 1 based on the Release Notes.
After you upgrade the firmware, reset the router by pressing the reset button and reconfigure the settings manually. | 34 AndyakaResiduaL, on Oct 20, 2009 6:15:34 am BSTI am having the same issues as Post #30.
I'm currently using a WRT160Nv2.
Both X-Box 360 Consoles are connected via wireless to my router.
I have done all the above-mentioned settings:
-Correctly set up port range triggering with all corresponding values
-Single port forwarding and port range forwarding are both disabled
-DMZ is disabled
-Upnp is enabled
-Security settings are set as mentioned-above with the proper filters unchecked
-Proper MTU setting, both X-Box 360 consoles set to automatically obtain settings
One of the X-Box consoles can connect with an OPEN Nat. The second X-Box console only connects with a MODERATE setting and therefore we cannot join each other's parties.
Is this simply an issue with my ISP or do you know if I need to further alter anything?
Thanks for your anticipated help! | By the way, can the other console (XBOX360 #2) connect to the Live Server automatically once you turn off the working console (XBOX360 #1)?
Can both console play Locally (Can they detect each other when craeating a LAN games)?
Check also what is the Internet IP address found at the Status tab of the router? | 37 AndyakaResiduaL, on Oct 20, 2009 3:25:39 pm BSTI'm currently upgrading my Firmware. I had an outdated version.
I have now upgraded to the latest Firmware.
I will explain a little more in detail:
Both Xbox Consoles can connect to XBox Live at the same time. One connects with an OPEN NAT and the second system connects as MODERATE.
We can both log into Xbox Live and play at the same time with different hosts and in different games. We cannot, however, join each other's parties.
I'm sorry for not stating this more clearly. Both of our connections are fine logging into Xbox Live. We can play games just fine but we cannot play with each other.
The information on the status page of my router is as follows:
Connection Type: Automatic Configuration - DHCP
Internet IP Address: 173.190.157.191
Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.128
Default Gateway: 173.190.157.190
DNS1: 192.168.254.254
My set up is one that uses a 2WIRE Modem provided by my ISP Windstream. I then have this modem connected to the Wireless Router WRT160N. There are a total of three computers utilizing my wireless router:
(1) There is one computer that is hardwire and plugged directly into the wireless router via an ethernet cable.
(2) There is a second computer connected via wireless with an Xbox system connected to the computer.
(3) There is a third computer connected via wireless with an Xbox system connected to the computer.
The (2) and (3) computer systems both have Xbox consoles which are connected via ethernet cables.
So there is no connectivity issues with Xbox Live and my computer systems. The only issue I am attempting to resolve is to change both my Xbox systems to have OPEN NAT settings so we can join each other's parties and play together.
Please let me know if you require any additional information and I will be happy to comply.
Again, thank you for your advice and help thus far.
-Andy aka ResiduaL | 38 AndyakaResiduaL, on Oct 20, 2009 3:31:13 pm BSTUPDATE:
I have upgraded my firmware for my router and power cycled my system with the same results. One XBOX system connects as OPEN NAT and one connects as MODERATE NAT. Both systems are connected simultaneously.
Thanks!! |
| 40 AndyakaResiduaL, on Oct 21, 2009 4:01:21 am BSTUPDATE:
The information on my router status page has been updated to reflect such:
Connection Type: Automatic Configuration - DHCP
Internet IP Address: 192.168.254.101
Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway: 192.168.254.254
DNS1: 192.168.254.254 | 41 AndyakaResiduaL, on Oct 21, 2009 4:08:23 am BSTAlso:
The computer I'm using runs on Windows XP.
The computer my brother uses runs in Windows Vista. His network connections interface is a little different than mine but it appears as though all of his settings are placed to automatically obtain an IP address.
For some reason, I am unable to connect to XBOX Live unless I edit the Local Area Connection to reflect a manually configured IP address per the Internet Protocol (TCP/IP) settings.
If I have the settings to obtain an IP address automatically, I am unable to connect to XBOX Live.
So to recap:
It appears as though my router is set up correctly with everything suggested above.
I believe the issue may possibly be with the settings on my PC or perhaps it is a combination of my PC and my router/modem settings.
I will be honest and say I'm not entirely certain as to what settings I should have my MODEM set up to. I do know that my router does correctly reflect all of the above-mentioned settings.
I think there needs to be some tweaking and modifications made to my PC and then possibly/probably my modem and/or router.
Thanks!! | 42 AndyakaResiduaL, on Oct 21, 2009 10:06:52 am BSTNOTE:
I am also only able to eliminate my MODERATE NAT setting to an OPEN NAT setting by creating a network bridge between my Local Area Connection and my wireless connection. I am only able to stay connected to XBox Live like this, however, for only 20 minutes at a time before the connection times out.
I'm assuming this is definitely not a solution I should be using.
Thanks!! | 43 AndyakaResiduaL, on Oct 21, 2009 3:51:19 pm BSTWell the best I seem to be able to do is to have one Xbox 360 console with an OPEN NAT and the second Xbox console with a MODERATE NAT.
NOTES:
-Both Xbox Consoles are connected to Xbox LIve at the same time. Both can play in games on Xbox Live with but cannot join each other's hosted parties.
-My XBox console only seems to allow connection to Xbox Live with a manually configured Local Area Connection. I have my wireless connection active with an address type assigned by DHCP. If I change my Local Area Connection to reflect an automatically assigned configuration, the connection to Xbox Live does not work.
I'm not sure what edits I need to make to these settings in order to allow an OPEN NAT type with this configuration. I run off of Windows XP.
Whew. | 44 AndyakaResiduaL, on Oct 21, 2009 10:48:48 pm BSTHM I might even have to upgrade to a WRT310N if all else fails. But I guess I'm looking to exhaust all options available until I go this route. |
| I think that is the downfall, both Xbox360 can connect to the Xbox Live Server but won't be able to play the same game. I mean connect the same party. | 58 Angel, on Nov 15, 2009 5:39:39 pm GMTAre you saying that the set up you suggest will not connect two x-boxes to the same game. Myself and my husband are currently able to connect to the xbox server and get into the same games together (not 100%) but works the majority of the time. Our main problem is that we cannot (individually) get connected with some friends elsewhere such as Michigan and Canada. Ironically, Australia and Great Britain are no problem.
We were about to switch to the Linksys based on your helpful advice but now I wonder if we will make matters worse if we will then be unable to connect to the same game together?
I would appreciate your advice.
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| 51 PlugandPray, on Nov 2, 2009 5:41:56 pm GMTSir,
Can you play online simultaneously on a different game server? If so, that is due to the restriction of the game server you are trying to connect. It only allows one WAN IP to connect. |
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| It seems like the NAT of your modem is blocking you from connecting your consoles at the same time. In the Status tab of your router, it is acquiring a private IP address from your modem. This usually happens when using a DSL connection where your modem is a DHCP server as well. There is a setting in your modem where you can forward the ports as well. If the Setup page of the modem have a Port trigerring feature trigger those ports as well. Better yet, set you modem to brodge mode so that it will only act as a passthrough connection and the Public IP address from your ISP will go straight to the router. |
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| 39 tegtech, on Oct 20, 2009 3:47:39 pm BSTHi kirbyboychoy,
I did all that you recommended in post #31, including the firmware upgrade, and now everything is working perfectly! Both xboxes have open NAT at the same time. Just for reference, afterwards, I re-enabled "Filter Anonymous Internet Requests" in the Setup section and re-ran the tests, and everything was still working.
You rock, and thanks for the awesome help! | No problem... tnx for the additional information as well.
PEACE... | 54 GhettoLegs, on Nov 10, 2009 6:00:00 am GMTSo would you say this same exact setup would allow an Xbox 360 and a PS3 to play online at the same time? I have a PS3 and my roomate has a 360. If he is playing and I try to play mine, it will kick him out. If I'm on and he tries to play, it will kick me off? Is this the same basic principal or a bandwidth issue? I have a Linksys-G router currently and I'm using a premium 22 megabyte modem with great signal levels. | 61 oldclydemassey, on Nov 24, 2009 4:47:18 pm GMTHi, i've been reading through this thread and it is great to see so many other people just as confused about this as I am. First of all. #15 (the angry jerk) is the closests to being correct with regards to multiple xbox's on one router you need a capable router. Since there is no indication of what a capable router is for multiple xbox's on one you must do trial and error or take it from someone who is using a current set-up that works who experienced all the same issues addressed in this thread. First I used a Motorola SBG900, won't work with two xbox's. Then a Motorola SB5101, seems to do just fine. Then I had a Linksys WRT54GS2 hooked up, doesn't work with two xbox's. I called my ISP, linksys, and xbox solutions center, no one could fix the second xbox being "moderate" or "strict" for NAT. So at the recommendation of a Linksys "Technician" I bought a more expensive Linksys router, the WRT320N. This router does NOT work with two xbox's. Linksys has shot themselves in the foot on this one. In the midst of all their little upgrades they have managed to lose the ability to network two xbox's with two xbox live accounts. So to keep this story shorter I am now successfully using two xbox's on one router using a Motorola SB5101 cable modem, and an "AirPort Extreme" apple router. Now I have no idea what is so special about this router that makes it work so easy but it does. I didnt have to set up anything special for my xbox's on this router and they both have OPEN NAT now and our connections to online games with each other is the way it should be. My point here is to use a router that you know works. If it doesn't work for you out of the box (i'm strictly speaking about multiple xbox's here!) then take it back and just buy a different one. But to save you some time, and money, don't buy a new Linksys router, it will not work and Linksys does not have any REAL solutions. They will just further wasting your time and money as they did for me. So good luck and don't be afraid to use that return policy that the store lets u use. | 62 pankypaxo, on Nov 25, 2009 3:31:05 pm GMTHi thanks for the advice.. i have read so many different things... sky said my router should work just fine.. we have now established that if my eldest son puts his xbox on first then little man puts his on it seems to be ok the majority of the time.. when the router does get confused we just switch it off downstairs then back on and problem is solved so for now our router is doing ok with what and how we have wroked out ourselves too.. modern technology aint it great !! lol |
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| 63 efftrain, on Nov 30, 2009 2:41:36 am GMTI know this is a year later after the latest post, but i was having these problems and this was the first hit google showed in searching "open nat xbox 360".
Anyway, i tired everything posted in this forum as well as many others. i had no luck at all. i would get one nat open, one moderate. doing a simple "lets shut off both xboxes and try again" sometimes resulted in me having STRICT nat's for both of them!.
So i got frustrated (this is after reinstalling the latest firmware on my WRT54G Linksys router, trying DMZ, Port Forwarding, UPnP, dynamic routing, static ip's etc etc, in all possible combination's you can think of).
So this is what i did:
I held down the reset button on the back of my router. this dumped all my settings (that's fancy talk meaning it restored to the factory settings).
Loaded up my routers setting page. Made sure nothing else except for UPnP was on. done.
BTW, Both Xboxes are set to automatically detect the network at this point.
This gave me OPEN on the first xbox that i turned on, and Moderate on the second.
Shut everything down. i turned on DMZ for the second xbox and gave it a static ip (XXX.XXX.XXX.151). Made sure my subnet Mask and the other setting matched my router. Power cycled my router and modem.
MAGICS! Both 360's are now Open NAT and my brother and i have no problems playing online together.
hope this helps anyone that goes down my path of woes.
PS. i gave myself another headache. i forgot that my WEP settings got dumped because i hard-reset my router. it took a minute for that to click. plus it doesn't help when a house full of angry parents are trying to browse the web on a peaceful Sunday until their eldest dumps their internet. oops. | 64 Kyle, on Nov 30, 2009 8:54:59 pm GMTWhat exactly did you disable. I did exactly what you said and have a strict and open and screens black out after one cod mw2 game and disconnect. Or can you explain in more detail. I enabled
UPNP and set static up, but I didn't know what to disable. |
| 65 Matt, on Dec 13, 2009 12:59:26 am GMTSimilar to many of you, I've had nothing but headaches when trying to play with my roommate at our college house. We've got two 360s and a linksys wirelss G router, hardware version 2. All we want to do is play MW2.
The firmware is up to date.
I've tried every different step listed in this entire forum. The best I'm able to get is one "open" NAT and one "moderate" NAT.
What is the magic combination of settings? Port forwarding, UPnP, DMZ, what? | 66 MattXbox, on Dec 22, 2009 7:10:55 pm GMTHi guys, ive been reading all the posts in this forum over recent days as ive been having similar problems using a Linksys WAG200G (Yes...Linksys surprise surprise!) Finally today i seem to have got both Xboxs running with OPEN NAT, how long this will last though remains to be seen. I can only give limited advice because i cant quite put my finger on what made it work eventually. Both Xboxs are connected directly to the router rather than wirelessly, one things for sure and that is despite everyone telling you to assign manual IP's this router seems to hate it! Both are automatically connected now and this i suppose ensures that both xboxs are assigned an IP WITHIN the routers DHCP server. If you really must assign a manual IP then make sure you assign one within the DHCP servers range, assigning them outside of this put both Xboxs NAT to strict (in my experience). Im no longer using DMZ, Upnp is on. Now for the interesting part, i left the settings id altered in the 'single port forwarding' list so effectively its opening xbox live ports 88, 3074 TCP and UDP to a manual made up IP address that doesnt even exist on the network and is outside of the DHCP servers range. Very very strange that this all now appears to work when on paper this solution really shouldnt. Try it and let me know, i know this solution sounds crap but i hope it helps atleast one person who reads this! Let me know. Matt | 71 Matt, on Dec 26, 2009 1:28:29 am GMTYeah I'm home for break and both his and my xboxes are wired to the same router and we both have open nat so it is possible. Now if I can just figure it out at our house. | 72 Benny D, on Dec 27, 2009 11:29:03 pm GMTOkay, here's a question that might REALLY confuse you guys.
Is it possible to run 4 xbox 360s through the same router and ISP? I and some great buddies of mine want to play on 4 consoles with 4 screens and online. It will be the best thing ever. | 78 Yank23, on Dec 30, 2009 4:57:53 pm GMTI would say no but it is quite possible that i am wrong |
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| 84 kjsr, on Jan 5, 2010 7:41:19 pm GMTI tried all the forwarding, triggering, and DMZ tricks. I could never get OPEN NATs on 2 Xboxes simultaneously.
As a last resort I got one of the routers on the Xbox compatible router list. (Netgear WGR614 - v7)
Everything magically worked. I get OPEN Nat all the time now on both XBoxes. All I did was enable UPnP on the router and set the XBoxes network settings to automatic. No triggering, forwarding, DMZ or anything else.
The bottom line is some routers will do it some will not. | 85 bigish, on Jan 7, 2010 2:14:47 pm GMTYour all looking in the wrong place....... all you have to do is set your xbox network up manually. Giving each xbox it's Ip address acording to it's place on your router. then set up virtual servers on the router, so that each xbox gets it's own port. I have two xboxs running both with open NAT | 86 what?, on Jan 7, 2010 10:34:32 pm GMTHow exactly do you do that? |
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| 87 Jak345, on Jan 9, 2010 2:59:27 am GMTHow the hell do you do you get your xbox on the xbox compatable list...... i have no clue how to do that> | 92 manc54, on Jan 13, 2010 3:50:11 am GMTI have a xbox360 and a ps3 both running off a netgear router with no problems whatsoever all setting are default/automatic and all runs fine | 95 Dursman, on Jan 23, 2010 11:06:30 pm GMTAnyone who has a Linksys WRT5G router and wants Open NAT on 2 Xboxes absolutely, positively has to follow these instructions:
http://jakebillo.com/two-xboxes-one-router-making-upnp-work-using-dd-wrt-or-tomato/
This is the only way I was able to get my Linksys router to have Open NAT's on Both 360s. It requires you to flash the Router with Tomato firmware -- which is quite easy and takes only a few minutes -- and then make the adjustments in the firmware so that the Xboxes connect with their own MAC identification every time.
READ EVERY PART AND FOLLOW IT CLOSELY. Basically you forget every part of Port Forwarding/Triggering and just enable UPnP. The key then is writing down your 360's MAC address and entering it into the Tomato routing firmware so that every time your 360s connect, they connect with that specific MAC Address. That way they aren't fighting for the same 3074 port each time.
After hours and hours of trying to make it happen -- and slamming my head against the wall because 1 360 was Open but the other was either Moderate or Strict -- this actually worked.
Just remember after making the adjustments and SAVING them, reboot the router and also power down both of your Xboxes.
You should then see something like this in the UPnP tab:
3074 3074 192.168.1.40 UDP Xbox (192.168.1.40:3074) 3074 UDP
20602 20602 192.168.1.41 UDP Xbox (192.168.1.41:20602) 20602 UDP
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| 101 MadDog, on Feb 3, 2010 2:40:24 pm GMTKJSR is right moving to another non Linksys router. Changing routers or flashing the linksys with tomato or dd-wrt is about the only workable solution. I have tried everything to get a wrt320n to work and nothing( and I mean nothing) will get it to work correctly with two xbox's. Someone may think they have it working but it will end up changing at a later date (usually after a reset). I have used Linksys products for years (usually flashed with dd-wrt) but I can say that at least their newest routers do no handle changing many of the setting very well. I don't care if it's port forwarding (range or triggered), UpnP, Access Restrictions, etc nothing seems to work correctly. I have worked with computers and networking for 20+ years so I know a little of what I talking about. It may work before/after a soft reset but not after a hard reset, etc. This router is only good for someone that doesn't need to change anything. I used Linksys online tech support and the first thing they said was that xbox's may not work. UPnP has known problems and they say that putting one on the DMZ and port forwarding the other is a "product limitation". Port triggering should work but doesn't.
I will be trying a Netgear. The WNDR3700 looks good after reading the review and I've read them for d-link and others. | 102 MadDog, on Feb 4, 2010 5:37:54 pm GMT*** UPDATE ****
I just wanted to updated my last post. After having failed to get the wrt320G to work I hooked up my old wrt54g with DD-WRT v24 (05/20/08) std on it just to give it another try. I turned off the firewall (Filter Anonymous Internet Requests), turned off DMZ, made sure the Port Forwarding (single, range and triggered) were turn off and turned on UPnP. When it didn't work with static addresses on the xbox's I set them back to automatic and it started working. My thinking is that if you use static IP's on the Xbox'x Microsoft either doesn't touch it or can't because it needs to play with the IP's to work.
If you look at what UPnP does, it takes the automatic assigned IP addresses on the xbox of .101 and .102 and turns them in to multiple IP's and reassigned ports as well. (122 and 123 added by UPnP)
Description Enabled From (WAN) To (LAN)IP Address Protocol
Xbox (192.168.1.103:3074) 3074 UDP Yes 3074 3074 192.168.1.103 UDP
Xbox (192.168.1.123:9978) 9978 UDP Yes 9978 9978 192.168.1.123 UDP
Xbox (192.168.1.102:20874) 20874 UDP Yes 20874 20874 192.168.1.102 UDP
Xbox (192.168.1.122:11882) 11882 UDP Yes 11882 11882 192.168.1.122 UDP
Went back to Xbox and Manual set the IP to the Automatic one .100 and .102 and it didn't work. Only works in automatic mode.
Try the same stuff with the WRT320G and it didn't work. Linksys support never suggested working with the UpnP so I must conclude this a known bug with the WRT320G. |
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